tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post4705415619245696161..comments2012-08-27T19:54:02.756-07:00Comments on Don't feed the Monkeys! (You might lose an arm): Welfare and druggies, my take!Kellihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15052516605429831355noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post-27960661781287495362010-01-23T09:02:12.798-08:002010-01-23T09:02:12.798-08:00I only have a couple of points to make about this....I only have a couple of points to make about this. First, people have been beating urine test for years to get employment, get off probation, or meet drug rehab requirements. If you want to put some work into your drug use, and towards deceiving the system, it can be done. On the other hand some drug users have no motivation to do anything more than get high, get more drugs, and get high again. This excludes making any attempt at going out and putting any effort into things like paperwork, applications, interviews, or any type of social interaction other than with a dealer. These people will never even make it on any type of assistance. <br /><br />It just pisses me off that so many people stereotype those who recieve assistance as lower class and likely to abuse drugs and/or the system.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146133290086143602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post-739561957983170902010-01-23T05:40:16.218-08:002010-01-23T05:40:16.218-08:00You are very definitely right Kelli. When I was p...You are very definitely right Kelli. When I was pregnant, I was on aid. I didnt have insurance and at the time, you couldnt get just insurance so they gave me everything, food stamps, a minimal amount of money, and the insurance. I went to the butcher to buy meat one day and I got ONE lousy steak and a woman behind me made a not so quiet comment to her friend when she saw me pay with food stamps, that "their tax dollars were paying for me to eat steak". I was so hurt and embarassed and PISSED! People are cruel about things like that and dont realize that not everyone's situation is the same. <br />Right now, with the car companies laying off like crazy, a good part of those people are now on state aid. We see them in the office as patients alot now. Its sad. <br />Having said that, Michigan has one of the worst welfare systems. The county I live in is one of the worst in the entire country! I work my ass off 7 days a week and I cant even get decent insurance for my kids through the state. Yet, I see so many of our patients at the pediatric office come in whose parents drive brand new cars, have the best clothes, the best cell phones etc. and these are the ones who are constantly pregnant! One woman admitted she has a child every 2 years or so just to get more money from the state! <br />So Im driving an 11 year old car, wearing $12.00 jeans, having a bitch of a time paying my $400 utility bill every month, while this woman is living high on the hog because she's abusing the system. Not to mention having children that will be raised to do the same damn thing. Its really not fair to those people who litgitimately need the help. In Michigan, the abusers are the common problem with the welfare system, which is why you get bloggers and facebook groups that demand drug testing. And for those who abuse the system and use welfare as a "job" they SHOULD get drug tested like any other job. Unfortunately, they ruin it for the people who really need the help.Dawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post-28688028586534257182010-01-22T16:28:36.670-08:002010-01-22T16:28:36.670-08:00As a defender of public assistance, I would say th...As a defender of public assistance, I would say that our battle is two-fold. We must fight against the judgmental pricks who look down on others for needing a little help in a pinch as well as the assholes who gave rise to the stereotypes in the first place.<br /><br />Sorry so long. I couldn't post it all in one comment because I used too many words. lolMarconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post-79416679339928774142010-01-22T16:26:35.009-08:002010-01-22T16:26:35.009-08:00I understand the negative connotation regarding pu...I understand the negative connotation regarding public assistance, as there are a lot of exploitive douches who take advantage of the system but I have to say; these fuckers are way out of line.<br /><br />I can see valid points and concerns on both sides of this debate, so here goes... I would argue that marijuana being relitively harmless isn't the best argument against drug testing because the point these people are trying to make (as hateful as they may be) is a fiscal one -if not, one of responsibility more so than one of health. "You can't afford food for your kids but pot is in the budget?" -that kind of thing. And I can't totally discredit this argument either. If a person on welfare is found to have a two hundred-dollar a week drug habit, then I am all for pulling their assistance and quite possibly taking their children. <br />I think a better argument against mandatory drug testing would be one of discrimination. It is an unfair assumption to make that all persons on welfair are drug addicts, as I personally know for a fact, that there are many-many responsible, law-abiding persons who have utilized (and are currently utilizing) public assistance who absolutely need and deserve a little help.<br />Then, on the other side of the token, I can see the point that most work places require drug testing and it doesn't necessarily mean they are accusing their employees of having a drug habit. So, perhaps it could be argued that the government wouldn't necessarily be accussing persons on assistance... ?<br />Regarding the price of drug testing, I have to say; I find it hard to believe that drug testing can't be stream-lined and the cost greatly reduced. When I was hired at my current place of employment, they had me pee in a cup and the cup itself had the test built right in. The nurse told me that this one cup would test for a dozen different drugs within a matter of minutes. My point is simply that technology CAN be stream-lined and greatly cheapened. Look at electronics... Today's thousand-dollar gadget is tomorrow's check-out-line impulse buy. And I should think that the same would apply to these plastic, piss-testing cups.<br />Regarding the food restrictions, I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I don't think anyone should be able to tell me (or anyone else) how to eat but on the other hand if I loan someone a hundred dollars for grocieries for their children, I have to admit, I expect them to buy thrifty, moderately healthy foods. I would probably be a little erked if I ran into them in the checkout line and they had a case of wine-coolers. Maybe this is judgmental of ME but I do think there is something to be said for the old addage "beggers can't be chosers"<br />...Which brings me to another point (yes, another one -sorry)... I believe there are already some restrictions regarding food and alcohol. ...Maybe tobacco, I'm not sure. So then the question becomes; Where do we stop? It's okay to say "You can't buy cigarettes with this money but you can buy Krispy Creams? Obviously, this is an extreme example but the lines do get blurred.<br />Ultimately, I agree with you that the stereotypes and the fuck-wads who perpetuate them are worthless pieces of shit but it is absolutely worth noting that reforms of some kind are worth consideration because as sad as the case may be, we have all seen the bastard who works just enough hours to make some extra cash but not enough to get off of assistance. Or the asshole who shops for groceries with food stamps then buys a hundred dollars worth of lottery tickets with cash. Speaking as an individual who has utilized assistance, I must say; I am very-very grateful that it was there when I needed it but there ARE people who give the system a bad name.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post-41074818042600950852010-01-22T13:09:22.060-08:002010-01-22T13:09:22.060-08:00Great blog, Kelli! You said a lot of things that ...Great blog, Kelli! You said a lot of things that I have thought for a long time. My husband and I are getting divorced, and because of that and the fact that I have been a stay at home mom for the past 7 years and haven't worked, I am on public assistance. I have been looking for and applying for jobs for the past month and have only received one call for an interview, and I never heard anything back. Yes, there are people out there who abuse the"system", but there are also people out there like us who genuinely need the assistance and "follow the rules". I agree that people need to stop being so judgemental toward people on public assistance!Angienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post-588953167193519932010-01-22T12:32:35.511-08:002010-01-22T12:32:35.511-08:00Wow Kelli! You definitely hit the nail on the head...Wow Kelli! You definitely hit the nail on the head with this one! I agree with you, generalizing everyone who receives assistance as drug addicts is not fair, to say the least! This economy is horrible right now and jobs are sparse! There are alot of people out there who have lost their jobs that they worked at for 30+ years who now cannot find a job and need assistance! That's what the welfare system was created for! Yes, there are people who abuse this system, I won't argue that at all. But, that is still no reason to put everyone in one generalized group. This just makes me sick, and the people in that group should live a day in our shoes! Getting assistance for your family should not hold such a stigma. I almost feel sorry for those ignorant people in that group. Almost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post-14735722395158563022010-01-22T11:46:25.872-08:002010-01-22T11:46:25.872-08:00Truthfully I hope that all those judgemental basta...Truthfully I hope that all those judgemental bastards lose everything so they know how humbling it is to have to beg for help to feed your kids. Also, the only drug thing I know that would help is that meth stays on your skin, in fact oozes out of your skin and can be measured in your children's systems based on how much you hold them. It also leaks onto your clothes and furniture...the things you learn when your sister's bf is a drug addict loser....<br />on another note, you rock and I love you Kelli!!<br />SarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7902509282713569477.post-58077833138573467582010-01-22T11:36:57.011-08:002010-01-22T11:36:57.011-08:00Great blog .. lots of valid points .. last line su...Great blog .. lots of valid points .. last line sums it up quite well! ~~ KiminyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com